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Breaking down Thornton's Game - Is he Untouchable?

View Ryan Schwan's profilePosted by Ryan Schwan August 27, 2010

When I put together the Taking Offers for Paul post, there was a behind-the-scenes discussion with Henry Abbott of Truehoop about just how talent-bereft I thought his offer was.  I opened it by saying that as soon as I saw Marcus Thornton involved in the trade, I didn't even really care what the Hornets were getting back, the deal was dead in my mind.

The question, though, is whether I'm not just a little nuts to think that way.  There is a lot of sentiment amongst Hornets fans that Marcus Thornton is untouchable.  But should he be?  Let's break him down.

General Stats

Taking his season as a whole, Marcus Thornton graded out to be a bit above average.  If you look at his monthly stats, he did clearly have an generally upward trajectory(after a dismal December) but it's probably better to take his season as a whole to set a basis for what to expect next year.  Larger sample size and all that.  Here are his advanced stats, and the average stats of a shooting guard in the league who played 20 games and at least 15 minutes a game.

Player Usage TS% Ast Rate TO Rate Reb Rate NBA Efficiency WP48 PER
Marcus Thornton 25.3% 55% 9.8% 6.6% 6.6% 18.28 .092 17.4
League Average 20.2% 54.3% 16.3% 9.8% 6.6% 15.89 .087 13.7

That is fairly solid production, and it's better than any Hornet shooting guard has produced since Eddie Jones. (apologies to David Wesley)  I still worry at times, however, that my pleasure of seeing the ball in Thornton's hands is more because I was starved of good wing play than anything spectacular on Thornton's part.  So, let's dissect his game, and and see if Thornton is a truly exceptional player.

Shot Selection

My favorite part about Thornton's game is his perpetual motion and ability to cut to the basket, receive and finish in traffic.  One of the main reasons West's assist totals doubled was purely due to Thornton receiving that bounce pass from the high post.  But was he exceptional at this?  Indeed he was:

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ESPN Experts have Hornets as 14th Best

View Joe Gerrity's profilePosted by Joe Gerrity August 25, 2010

ESPN.com's John Hollinger and ESPN the Magazine's Chris Broussard are doing projections and previews for all 30 NBA teams and have ranked the Hornets as the 14th best.

Here is the Hornets relevant portion of the predictions:

14. New Orleans Hornets

The More Things Change: First and foremost, Chris Paul, who missed 37 games because of injury last season, is back, though he's not necessarily happy about returning to New Orleans. The Hornets' point guard wants to play for a contender, and new GM Dell Demps, along with new head coach Monty Williams, have tried to make moves to appease their superstar. They traded away his backup, Darren Collison, to bring in Trevor Ariza and sent Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli. Both Ariza and Belinelli are young and full of potential. The hope is that with Paul getting them open looks, they'll finally tap their upside with the Hornets.

The More They Stay the Same: If Marcus Thornton can improve on his pleasantly surprising rookie year, in which he averaged nearly 20 points over the last three months of the season, the Hornets could have their best backcourt in recent memory. That would make the already-solid big-man tandem of Emeka Okafor and David West that much better, and with Ariza aboard, Peja Stojakovic can perhaps fill the role of sniper off the bench. Basketball-wise, it doesn't look as bad as many might think. But off the court, it's a mess, as the ownership transfer from George Shinn to Gary Chouest continues to hit stumbling blocks. Closure for this club won't come until Chouest is running the team."

A few other notes-

  • Although it's better than league average, there are still 8 teams expected to be ahead than the Bees out west, which would leave them on the outside looking in come playoff time.
  • Marcus Thornton is projected to lead the team in points per minute.
  • Ariza is projected to average 15.2 points, 6.1 rebounds, and 3.9 assists per 40 minutes
  • Louis Amundson is expected to make a decision this week between the Pacers, Warriors and Hornets. "We're getting close to doing something," his agent, Mark Bartelstein, said. "I think we'll get something done with Louis this week."
  • Rondo is off the Olympic team. Take that for what it is.

Hornets bring in Mustafa Shakur

View Ryan Schwan's profilePosted by Ryan Schwan August 24, 2010

The Hornets are trying to fill the void behind Chris Pau, and yesterday they agreed to partially guaranteed a contract with Mustafa Shakur.  I would assume that means he comes in to training camp, and the Hornets will decide there whether to hold on to him.

Before we get to Shakur, and what he could bring to the team, I did want to point out that this would be only the second time in recent memory that the Hornets will be trying out a former D-Leaguer in training camp.  After years of hoping the Hornets would dump the over 30 veteran retreads and instead bring in someone young and developing like Courtney Sims to compete for end of the bench roles, it looks like I'll finally get my wish. 

I reached out to Matt Hubert of THN's D-League Digest, to get his take on the Hornets signing of Mustafa Shakur:

The Hornets' decision to sign Mustafa Shakur makes a lot of sense to anyone who followed the D-League last year. After going undrafted out of Arizona and spending two years overseas, Shakur turned heads in his rookie season in the D-League, averaging 19.2 points with a true shooting percentage of 58. His strong play earned him a spot on the D-League All-Star team in February, a call-up to the Oklahoma City Thunder in March (though he did not see any game action) and a second-team all D-League selection at the end of the season in April. He also helped lead Tulsa to the conference finals of the D-League playoffs.

In the wake of the Hornets' decision to send Darren Collison to Indiana, New Orleans has a need at backup point guard, and I think Shakur could be a good fit. He won't be asked to score like he was in the D-League, but he will be asked to be smart with the ball if and when he sees the floor. Last season in the D-League he finished eighth in the league with 6.9 assists per game and a respectable but not great 2.14 assists per turnover.

But the biggest takeway from this signing is the fact that the Hornets appear to be turning over a new leaf under new general manager Dell Demps, formerly of the Austin Toros. His D-League experience may prove to open new doors for an organization that previously had very little involvement with the D-League, and the signing of Shakur could be just the beginning.

And here is DraftExpress.com's take on Mustafa Shakur after the Summer League. (They were the one who broke the news initially via their twitter account.)

Mustafa Shakur, 1984, 6'5, 185, Point Guard

It has been a while since we've checked in on Shakur, who has made notable strides since leaving Arizona. After stints with Prokom Trefl of Poland and the Euroleague and TAU Ceramica (now Caja Laboral), Shakur exploded in the NBADL last season, showing some new wrinkles to his skill set that make him a much more viable NBA talent. He's a considerably better shooter than he was as a collegian, improving his mechanics and forcing teams to respect his range in catch and shoot situations. His improved range and confidence off the dribble have opened up his floor game. Showing a knack for playing with pace, seeing the floor better, and making much better decisions with the ball than he did in the past thanks to his increased maturity level and basketball IQ, Shakur is a clear-cut NBA caliber player when you factor in his outstanding physical tools.

Sounds good to me.  You?

Fine, Let's Talk About Carmelo and the Hornets (updated to reflect reality)

View Joe Gerrity's profilePosted by Joe Gerrity August 22, 2010

About a week ago I sat down, thinking about writing something about 'Melo, but opted against it. The lingering hatred of the Chris Paul rumors stopped me for a while, but with each passing day more and more experts are mentioning New Orleans as a possible landing place for Carmelo and I can't help but feel excited that the Hornets are being mentioned as a destination.

Let's start with going over the differences in the situations so nobody bites my head off. 'Melo is about to be a free agent. His contract expires after this season if he decides to not pick up his player's option. That's about 9 months away at this point, assuming the Nuggets don't surprise anyone by making a deep run. If they want to get good value on him they need to move now. There just isn't time to re-tool and convince him to stay, and there's no guarantee that he wants to stick around even if the team was better.

To be fair, ESPN is now reporting that Chauncey Billups talked to 'Melo, and is claiming that he's happy in Denver. Well, actually it just says that he loves the team, loves the fans, and loves the City. Some, including myself, can see Anthony following those statements with "but I'm just not in love with you."

I'm making that up entirely, but wouldn't it just make sense to hear it? The guy has a 3 year, $65 million dollar deal on the table with a looming expiration date on it  - and he hasn't touched it.

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If the Grizzlies don't want Xavier Henry . . .

View Ryan Schwan's profilePosted by Ryan Schwan August 17, 2010

The Memphis Grizzlies selected Xavier Henry with the 12th pick of the draft.  He's still unsigned.  Rookie salaries are set by the CBA, but teams may offer anywhere between 80% to 120% of that set value.  Since the CBA has gone into place, every rookie but one has gotten 120% of the set value guaranteed.  The Grizzlies are trying to tie the "extra" 20% to performance bonuses.

There is such a thing as fiscal sanity.  I respect that, particularly with the travails the Hornets have gone through the last couple years while trying to find it.  This, however, qualifies as fiscal insanity.  I don't care if it seems reasonable to tie what could be deemed as 'extra' salary to incentives.  If every rookie that enters the league gets the maximum salary they are able to get, then it's not extra salary, it's a fair salary.

There are studies about this phenomenon.  If you offer one brother $1.00 to do a very simple chore, and then offer the other brother only fifty cents, despite the fact that the chore is simple, and probably not even worth that much, they will refuse to do it.  Fairness.

So here's a fair deal I'd love to see:  The Hornets call up Memphis and offer next year's first round pick for Xavier Henry.  Hell, then toss in the million dollars the Grizzlies are trying to save with the maneuver.  That's right, we're talking about 1 million dollars, spread out over four years.  I'm not about to begrudge Henry, with his sweet shot and oozing potential, the same amount of cap space that we paid Devin Brown.  Are  you?

This is exactly the sort of thing the Hornets should be doing as they build for the future.  Henry's already an exceptional shooter and shows good potential as a defender.  He could easily form a young, dynamic three-guard rotation with Paul and Thornton - all of whom can shoot with range, and if Henry develops, drive and score.